Two other friends of mine, Arne Chosfer (cultural critic and bon vivant extraordinaire) and Galley Trot (an accomplished Buddhist scholar and expert in the treatment of Post-Buddhist Stress Disorder) recently joined the Soto Zen Facebook group, offering their perspectives. Hardly surprising, both were banned within a few hours.
I just joined this site. I havt say: beschizzlefoschizzle, bitches! Good shit. This Tutteji dude and this Erica Sagn are not the site admin in disguise. I mean, everything else here is lame and platitudinous by comparison. Yawww!
Lana Berrington (admin)
Galley – yup.. lame and boring and without drama… that’s what this place is all about. Some people won’t like that.. but you can’t please everyone. ps: please watch your language,
Oh, forgive me Mother Lana Berrington. “Dude” = “Gentleman”
That final comment apparently made Mother Superior jump the gun, and Galley Trot was swiftly banned from the group. Let’s see what happened with Arne Chosfer:
Like most failed comedians, this “gentleman” [Tutte Wachtmeister Dai Osho] wants to make it about the audience. It’s not. His act flopped on it’s own merits.
Another Voice of Sanity
Your absolutely right Number 1, Whoever posts a thread that does not receive the desired response that the contributor intended, then that group member should be banned.
Another Voice of Sanity
Whoops! Please strike my last post from the record. I accidently used sarcasm AKA lying. Hopefully I don’t receive an infraction or get banned.
Ah, c’mon now lads! Wouldja ever ‘man’ up at all, for Christ’s sake? Ye’re all acting like a bunch of petty-minded schoolkids!
Another Voice of Sanity
Number 2,With all the cursing and name calling you’ve opportunistically added to Tutte’s thread my first impression was that you were the troll everyone was talking about in the deleted threads of his. Then I thought you were his little buddy just joking around with him. When I realized that you were a part of the opposition against him is when I started to not see his threads as trolling. I’m serious. Your comments were the most offensive part of this whole thing. Talk about school kid mentality.
AVoS, I’m neither for nor against anyone, anything, or any one view.
That is clearly confusing for one such as you, which is presumably why you were struggling to work out whose ‘side’ I was on.
But that’s what gives me the freedom to comment as I do. If you feel offended by my neutral comments then I guess you feel offended. Feel free to sit with your offense if you can. 🙂
So, Number 2, as a good little Soto Zen altar boy, you’re “neither for nor against anyone, anything, or any one view.”
Still, you don’t hesitate to tell someone: “Now fuck off and take your pathetic attempts at trolling someplace else! Ya … twat, ye!” and “My ’associates’ are currently tracking down the ID and physical location of ‘Tutte’ and his supporters.”
What does this say about your character?
AVoS, my friend, here’s how it should go: whoever attempts comedy and fails should be called out for bad material or bad delivery. If they then compare themselves to Lenny Bruce, i.e. a “misunderstood” genius, they should be banned from polite company.
Listen now, Billy boy [x-buddhist 1], and I’ll tell you how it is. First, the ”comedy” worked just fine, and the fact that you and [two other x-buddhists] don’t get this and keep posting your irrelevant (but highy revealing) nonsense, makes it better and better. As for Tutte’s tounge-in-cheek comparison with Lenny Bruce, it was an explicit reference to Bruce’s *late* performances – another point which you completely missed.
Yes, Arne, me wee lad, I did not read the gentleman’s explanation; just as, when I dislike a performance, I don’t buy a ticket for the next. I’m sure it was all quite “tongue-in-cheek” and, for some, may have been hilarious.
I see, you didn’t read, you just quoted. Great performance, Billy boy!
Arses should be firmly and regularly placed on cushions.
They serve no purpose on FB.
May I suggest you go crawl back from under your zafu. And keep your “neutral” comments to yourself
Suggest what you like Arne. I wasn’t talking to you!
And now Billy boy’s comments are disappearing, Spooky!
Not with a ban but a whimper.
And so are mine, Arne! Even though my last one was agreeing to knock it off, with a rider!
Lana Berrington (admin)
arne.. please –
Eric Kow (admin)
cease fire, cease fire…
Alas, Arne wasn’t given a chance to show his gentle side as he, too, was banned – without warning or notification – by the apparatchiks.
The purpose of this and the preceding two posts is not to fuck with this particular x-buddhist discussion group and its moderators, and I have no particular interest in humiliating a few individuals who obviously are not the sharpest tacks on the bulletin board (hence the anonymization).
This should be obvious, but as I just read a comment by another apparatchik, Alasdair Gordon-Finlayson, stating that he doesn’t want to continue “a discussion that’s only been hurtful … while he [me] casts neatly anonymous aspersions on our lineages and moans that we won’t let him muck about in one particular not-at-all-important FB group”, it seems some clarification is needed.
These long excerpts were chosen because they are exemplary cases of how (online) x-buddhism functions.
The practice of banning participants from boards like this (or label them “trolls”) have been discussed at length elsewhere, just as the sly condescension and passive-aggressiveness, sometimes exploding into open hostility.
Tom Pepper recently mentioned how, in defense of Thich Nhat Hanh, “a man claiming to have been a long-term resident of Plum Village emailed me that if he could find out where I lived he would come and burn my house down and murder my children,” and “a follower of Thannissaro Bikkhu, more restrained, only promised to ‘kick my ass’ if he ever met me.” And here are some examples from a recent, private conversation I had with a Soto Zen devotee, after I was kicked out from another Zen Buddhist discussion group (the third this week, I think):
You just got booted from another group DICKHEAD Ha HA I win again luzer.
Who got booted asshole….eat shit and die..
Your performances will earn you a trip to hell for the suffering you and yours cause….
I’ll be watching for you…hopefully you can get your meds adjusted or do some self admitting for a few weeks to your local Psych unit…
When telling outsiders about the way compassionate, wise and open-minded x-buddhists respond to criticism, or that subversive, un-American practice known as “irony”, one is often accused of exaggeration, so providing some typical examples could, at least, serve as a warning.
The long and exasperating “dialogues” at the Soto Zen forum are exemplary in other ways as well. A number of well-known x-buddhist moves are on full display here, and the excerpts posted here would be suitable for a Speculative Non-Buddhism 101 course. So why don’t you apply the SNB heuristics on this material and show us your critical and analytical chops in a comment.